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it is the party of lower taxes. but there are a lot of people who are lower down the food chain, the economic chain, also paying lots of taxes relative to their income. and they need help. we need more education work being done in this country. we need a solid immigration policy. we have to look at climate change there are a lot of things that the american people are expecting and the republican party, as they get ready for the next election, really has to focus on some of these issues and not ignore them. everybody wants to talk about who is going to be the candidate you better think first about what's the party actually going to represent? if it's just gonna represent the far right-wing of the political spec trouble, i think the party is in difficulty. i'm aed moderate but i'm still a republican, that's how i was raised. until i voted for mr. obama twice i voted for seven straight republican presidents. >> a couple of other foreign policy matters, what should the force, u.s. force in afghanistan look like after ne
it is the party of lower taxes. but there are a lot of people who are lower down the food chain, the economic chain, also paying lots of taxes relative to their income. and they need help. we need more education work being done in this country. we need a solid immigration policy. we have to look at climate change there are a lot of things that the american people are expecting and the republican party, as they get ready for the next election, really has to focus on some of these issues and not...
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higher estate tax rate. but it could have been worse. >> i think that the wealthy got off pretty easily here. there's a modest tax increase for the very wealthiest in this society, a very tiny percentage. i, frankly, that there are more taxes coming and they're going to bite more deeply into the middle class. >> approximately two-thirds of american will pay more taxes. the tax bite for the middle class comes from the end of payroll tax cut, which wasn't renewed in the fiscal cliff deal. but whatever happened to comprehensive tax reform? >> the irs tax code is still a nightmare. it's too complex, too costly, and too unfair. >> reporter: both sides say they're open to simplifying the tax code. more than 70,000 pages in 2012. the u.s. government gives away more than $1 trillion a year in tax breaks, but republicans say reform isn't about squeezing more money out of taxpayers. >> i think tax reform is a good idea, but now that we have resolved the revenue issue, tax reform ought to be revenue neutral, as it was
higher estate tax rate. but it could have been worse. >> i think that the wealthy got off pretty easily here. there's a modest tax increase for the very wealthiest in this society, a very tiny percentage. i, frankly, that there are more taxes coming and they're going to bite more deeply into the middle class. >> approximately two-thirds of american will pay more taxes. the tax bite for the middle class comes from the end of payroll tax cut, which wasn't renewed in the fiscal cliff...
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they couldn't win that battle regarding taxes. with this one, they have leverage. >> they thought it was their leverage but still when you go in to this debate, tamron, they control only one part of the government. it's a house of representatives. democrats control the senate. they control the white house. so while house republicans do have some leverage, we also learned something from the fiscal cliff negotiations that john boner's willing to bring legislation to the floor that doesn't have this majority of support from the party and pretty big, as well. >> all right. mark, thank you very much. greatly appreciate it. talk to you tomorrow on these things. >>> former president george h.w. bush has now been released from the hospital in houston today and headed home. mr. bush was admitted to the hospital around thanksgiving, suffering from a severe case of bronchitis. in the stay, developed a fever. doctors say he'll continue physical therapy at home. mr. bush is 88 years old. >>> my starting point is not to worry about the politics
they couldn't win that battle regarding taxes. with this one, they have leverage. >> they thought it was their leverage but still when you go in to this debate, tamron, they control only one part of the government. it's a house of representatives. democrats control the senate. they control the white house. so while house republicans do have some leverage, we also learned something from the fiscal cliff negotiations that john boner's willing to bring legislation to the floor that doesn't...
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he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far off the table that i don't even hear them talking about tax reform anymore. the president is making a gamble here, that the public will see the republicans as irresponsible and absurd, as he called them, that you can't let the united states of america default, that's not who we are, and that the american public will be embarrassed by this fight. the republicans are making the calculation, you know what, the public is going to be on our side, because we have to get on a path of fiscal sustainability over the long term so they're going to be with us, they're going to want spending cuts. >> we've been measuring the political pressure on the speaker as it builds, it seems, to a big climax here. how much pressure is he in right now? >> huge amount of pressure. don't forget, he didn't have a great time in the fiscal cliff fight. he couldn't bring a majority of his own caucus to vote for that final proposal. this time, his own caucus has put him on notice. a, don'
he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far off the table that i don't even hear them talking about tax reform anymore. the president is making a gamble here, that the public will see the republicans as irresponsible and absurd, as he called them, that you can't let the united states of america default, that's not who we are, and that the american public will be embarrassed by this fight. the republicans are making the...
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in favor of boosting sales tax rates. free market economists have praised the idea, but liberal economists say poor people would be bearing the brunt of the cost because they spent a greater share of income on consumer goods. can i stop here for one second? >> uh-huh. >> steve rattner, here's a great example. bobby jindal, like me, a really conservative guy economically. but has come out and spoken out against the stupid wing of the republican party. he's been very responsible. remember right after the election? >> yeah. >> like come on, we have got to be more inclusive, guys, and got to stop being the stupid party. here's a great example. you can disagree with bobby jindal on economics, which i'm sure you do -- >> right. >> -- because he's a lot like me, but you can respect bobby jindal as being a smart guy who wants to expand the party and be more inclusive. >> yeah. i agree. i respect him for all those things. and i think he is part of the future of the party. this particular proposal, i think what you said about it is
in favor of boosting sales tax rates. free market economists have praised the idea, but liberal economists say poor people would be bearing the brunt of the cost because they spent a greater share of income on consumer goods. can i stop here for one second? >> uh-huh. >> steve rattner, here's a great example. bobby jindal, like me, a really conservative guy economically. but has come out and spoken out against the stupid wing of the republican party. he's been very responsible....
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what i said was we weren't going to extend bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and we didn't. >> joining me now, john king, john king, welcome, welcome. help me understand what exactly the president is saying. is he saying he absolutely will not negotiate with congress when it comes to the debt ceiling? and to point out, i had ben stein on, an economist. he said, brooke, saying not negotiating is a negotiating tact tactic. >> ben is correct in that regard. what the president is saying, he's not going to repeat two years ago. he did get involved in detailed negotiations and the president, in that same news conference, said if the republicans feel they have to have some package of spending cuts to go with raising the debt ceiling, then let them put their own plan together and see if they can get the votes in congress. he's not going to help them. he said he was not going to let the republicans put a gun to the head of the american people, or he was not going to let them attach a ransom. the president used tough language today and part of what he was saying is i wo
what i said was we weren't going to extend bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and we didn't. >> joining me now, john king, john king, welcome, welcome. help me understand what exactly the president is saying. is he saying he absolutely will not negotiate with congress when it comes to the debt ceiling? and to point out, i had ben stein on, an economist. he said, brooke, saying not negotiating is a negotiating tact tactic. >> ben is correct in that regard. what the president is saying,...